Such a space is only as useful as we as a group make it, however. While there will be moderation when necessary, we hope that our users will speak and treat one another and our other colleagues with decency and respect. We also encourage consideration of what this new space should look like, and in particular how it should differ from the old FV. If you would like to be involved in this project more closely, please feel to email us at novaefamae@gmail.com.
Presented below are the rules and information from the original FV as a placeholder. We will create a new post and refresh the comments towards the end of the summer as the job market begins.
This site, now in its tenth year, was originally modeled after the successful sociology job search "blog" (the 2008-2009 iteration of which can be found here). Other disciplines have started following suit, and can themselves serve as both positive and negative exempla for us in Classics, Archaeology, and Ancient History. Links on the side of this page point to various articles and sites relevant to the academic job-hunting process and experience. If you run across others, please suggest them in the comments and we will add them. Threads below will provide a full season's worth of comments around various themes. Previous years' comments are all archived. And of course there is the ever-present and all-knowing Classics Wiki
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The password is the first phrase commented upon by Austin in his Little Red Oxford commentary on the sixth book. Enter this two word phrase as oneword. If you would prefer to open a WikiDot account of your own, and would like access to the Classics Wiki hosted there, the password to gain access is the same.
We experienced a very frustrating rash of wiki vandalism in 2009, which is why we have had to resort to a less-than-open site for our wiki. Apologies for making you go through this step, but it has proven to be worth the hassle.
Etiquette:
In order to encourage as many voices as possible this site will be completely driven by the comments sections. It will only be as useful (and civilized) as you all make it. We would suggest that you sign up for a Blogger ID so that you can edit your comments (and later delete them if need arises) and so that people will be able to respond to your anonymous online persona rather than a series of "anonymous" posts. Just a thought.
Do not list names on this site. As hires are announced in the spring and summer the wiki will be filled in by those made offers, and who are willing to post such information on the wiki. Any comments which reveal names, directly or indirectly by posting TMI will be deleted post-haste.
Most importantly, please, please, please maintain a supportive and helpful environment! Applicants and Search Committees are all in this together, even though it often does not feel that way. This process is brutal enough without exacerbating it by impugning the methods and motives of others. Remember, we are all present and future colleagues. Let's live up to our now not-so-recent reputation (scroll down about a third of the way) as model academic citizens!
This space was created as a way for information sharing, not as a platform for launching unsubstantiated and slanderous rumors. Humor is good. Good-natured kvetching is good. Helping each other out with tips is great, and getting well-informed and well-intentioned advice from those who have gone through this wringer is truly awesome. We can all learn a great deal from each other, applicants and non-applicants alike, but only if we strive to maintain a thoughtful and graceful conversation. We should continue to discuss difficult and challenging topics, but let us try to do so in a way that shows respect for our audience and a humble regard for our own place within it!
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ReplyDeleteFiat Lux
MCGA!
ReplyDelete...and the award for the most bullshit rejection letter goes to Harvard. Just received this gem:
ReplyDelete"The search committee for the College Fellow in XXXXX has reviewed your application. I regret that you are not among those we will be considering further for this position.
On behalf of the search committee, thank you for the opportunity to review your materials and for your expression of interest. We wish you well with your future endeavors."
They didn't even have the decency to change the XXXXX to "ancient history" in the fucking template.
..Fucking ridiculous.
Re: Harvard,
ReplyDeleteApparently, Harvard is the Harvard of not giving a shit.
I know this whole thing is not a meritocracy, but today hurt again seeing the added hires to the Wiki. Don't get me wrong, I am happy for those who received the position(s) and I'm sure that they're qualified and will do a fine job, but it's hard to not feel horribly discouraged as I sit here with many years under my belt and a rich CV while even more ABDs beat me out for some jobs.
ReplyDeleteI'm beginning to think that one can do too much, have too many articles, and have had too many PostDocs and VAPs to still be alluring to most SCs. As a colleague once told me, after about year 5 you begin to be in a state of diminished return; SCs begin to presume that 'something must be wrong with you' for you to have yet landed a T-T job, and the longer you remain the less chance you begin to have for the next job year.
I never wanted to believe this to be true, but at year 7 now, and still unemployed for the fall, I cannot really find any other adequate explanation during the 2017/18 job year, which is (by far for my own years' experience) the Year of the ABD, no doubt.
Who could have predicted this? I mean, in a year with so few T-T jobs Vegas would surely put the odds in the favor of the more seasoned. I tip my hat to this year's very successful ABD candidates and I can say that I'd rather be ABD (from anywhere, really) than sitting here with full CV and a nice pedigree.
To reference the (very) infamous review of Fergus Millar's The Emperor in the Roman World by Keith Hopkins [JRS 68, 178-186], I believe that I have spent the last 7 years self-crafting myself into a Rolls Royce for a market that desires Ski-Doos.
Re: Hopkins/Millar,
ReplyDeleteFor those unfamiliar with this review (which normally I would assume none are, but given that even Horace is only known by a few, this juicy review surely is unknown), the line that 3:12 is referencing is here:
"And yet it is a book which in its totality and in many of its details
should serve as a model of how ancient history should not be written. At best, it may be good of its
kind; but it is of the wrong kind, as though a sea-voyager had painfully constructed a Rolls-Royce
motor car in order to cross the Atlantic Ocean."
...IMO, Hopkins was just painfully jealous of Millar, as Hopkins never wrote anything that was nearly as ground-breaking as Millar.
@3:12
ReplyDeletewhich one are you talking about? vegas hire is not ABD.
@4:35,
ReplyDeleteI don't think that 3:12 was referring to any job at Vegas. You see, for just about any event that people place bets on, you can find the latest odds (often called a 'line') from experts in Las Vegas; the casinos, not any university.
So, when 3:12 said "..in a year with so few T-T jobs Vegas would surely put the odds in the favor of the more seasoned", they meant that with regards to the entire job season, all odds and favor would be seen sitting with more experienced folks rather than ABDs. In other words, nobody, not even 'experts' at determining odds in all manner of events, would ever have assumed that such a lean year would favor ABDs over more experienced/published candidates.
@3:12
ReplyDelete"I cannot really find any other adequate explanation"
It's a truly awful feeling, but you actually make it worse when you try to pinpoint the fault within yourself. It's not you, it's just the current Zeitgeist! You've given it your all, so now give yourself permission to focus on self-care.
That new job that posted for Sweet Briar College on the SCS... wow.
ReplyDeleteSo, that job posted 2 years ago as a 1-yr VAP for an archaeologist/Latinist/Classical Civ gig. It was given to person 'x', who then was the (only) professor of Classics for the 2016/17 academic year. The job was renewed for person 'x' for the 2017/18 year (you can search the class offerings for the past 10+ years on SBC's website).
Then... just now, SBC posts the same 1-yr VAP. The only issue is, person 'x' is already listed as the instructor of record for the very classes that the ad says they need taught.
...I hate, hate, hate seeing inside hiring; especially when it's so blatant. Just offer person 'x' the job again and stop making the rest of us on the market think that more jobs are appearing.
Isn't it possible that the person listed in the course offerings got another job late in the game, and they're trying to replace him/her?
DeleteAt my university, the Registrar doesn't like to leave courses in the course catalog with "staff" for instructor, though that's sometimes unavoidable. So, if a department has not decided teaching assignments yet when the course list goes live to students, the Registrar just copies the previous year's instructors, even knowing they'll change, then is slow to update the list. This year, I was listed as teaching a course I taught a full year ago until a month before the semester started. Could there be a similar situation at Sweet Briar College? Could the instructor not be teaching those courses but the Registrar is keeping that instructor's name in the course catalog until a new instructor is named?
DeleteThank you for setting up this forum.
DeleteWith regard to inside hires: they suck, yes, but it might be helpful to know what's going on behind the scenes. Of course, I can only speak from my experiences and know nothing about the specific position you mention. Last year my department (not Classics, but includes Classics) made an inside hire (adjunct became TT; not a Classics-related position). The history:
1. Our department spent three years campaigning hard for the creation of this position specifically so we could hire an adjunct who had made outstanding contributions to our department. We wanted this person as our permanent colleague and pushed as hard as possible to make it happen.
2. The entire department wanted to avoid a national search since we just wanted to hire this specific person.
3. The administration forced the charade of a national search, as national searches apparently help add to prestige and aid in continued accreditation (no idea how this actually works in any specific way).
We had the national search, hired the inside candidate, and frankly all felt horrible for the other finalists whom we never had any intention of actually hiring. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I can understand rancor felt for inside hiring, but at the same time I suspect many departments who make such hires only advertised them in the first place because they were forced to by the administration.
Inside hiring does indeed suck, but the Sweet Briar posting is to replace the person who had it and got another job late in the season, so that's probably why they're still listed as instructor of record.
DeleteThe Wiki just posted the (one!) hire for Brown's Joukowsky fellowship. The Postdoctoral Fellowship in Archaeology and the Ancient World is for someone who does... I don't know, archaeology and the ancient world.
ReplyDeleteHowever, the successful candidate is neither an archaeologist nor one who studies anything that's older than most of us: the new Postdoc is an anthropologist who studies contemporary Indonesia. WTF... I mean, seriously, WTF?
It's pretty bonkers that they hired someone who works on Indonesia for a position explicitly limited to the Mediterranean, but to be fair, her research interests are pretty much thematic catnip for Brown types.
ReplyDeleteContemporary Indonesia is eating your lunch here on the new blog, too?!?
ReplyDeleteThanks for creating this new forum! As a longtime reader of FV 1.0, I’m grateful to have this space for next season and its attendant miseries.
ReplyDeleteI’m blown away that if Brown could only accept ONE person for their postdoc in archaeology of the ancient world, they chose someone who has zero experience in archaeology, works on the contemporary world, and whose area of focus is fucking Indonesia.
ReplyDeleteIt’s not as if they chose 6 people (some years have seen that many come in), and they opted to bring in a very odd duck candidate; they only brought in their odd duck candidate.
I mean no disrespect to her, none at all, to be clear. But if there were a prestigious Postdoc, let’s call it the Stanford Fellowship in Modern Indonesian Studies, and they gave it to someone whose research focuses on Bronze Age archaeology of Crete, that there’d be uproar among those who study 21st century Indonesia? It’s beyond crazy.
I’m not sure if anything could be done about this, meaning that someone involved in the Joukowsky trust be made aware that the SC is so insanely off mark, or not but this genuinely makes me feel that some people could get in trouble for this.
New blog, same tendency to jump to conclusions? A quick search of the Joukowsky website suggests the position posted in the wiki is for a position in Critical Cultural Heritage (as it is named in the newsletter listed on the homepage, with details of the original posting here: https://www.brown.edu/academics/archaeology/news/2018/01/position-announcement-postdoctoral-fellowship-critical-cultural-heritage). This is, indeed, what the scholar does.
ReplyDeleteLooks like no scandal to see here.
If the Js are realizing their money is better spent on the future than the past, they are truly MCGA!!!
ReplyDeleteAny idea why Harvard still sticks to calling itself "Department of THE Classics" rather than just "of Classics"? I'm sure it's been remarked to them before that it's rather outdated...
ReplyDeletewow... FV has the easiest form of transition and it's rather dead here. Figured I'd check out the new home of FV and it's a party where nobody showed up.
ReplyDelete:/
FV used to have dead periods, too, especially in the summer.
ReplyDeleteHold on to your popcorn, junior -- There Will Be Blood.
ReplyDeleteWait, one of the Dickinson VAP hires is an MA?? How is that possible with so many PhD's desperate for jobs?
ReplyDeleteThe MA was one of their own former undergrads. The Wiki info is 100% accurate. You can see the info on the 2 hires on their Dept webpage here:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dickinson.edu/homepage/213/classical_studies_department_faculty
Something's fishy -- either their dept. website or her CV is inaccurate. Her cv reports an MA graduation year of 2013 and a PhD defense date of March 2017, which suggests that she has a PhD. The website stating an MA graduation year of 2016 seems way off...
ReplyDeleteLooks to me like the website is the thing that is wrong.
ReplyDeleteMA = ABD
ReplyDeleteMA doesn't always = ABD. Sometimes MA is just a terminal MA. Most schools would state ABD on their Dept faculty page.
ReplyDeleteFWIW, Texas still shows the hire in question as a grad student and there is no entry on ProQuest (though, there is a time lag here) for her. If the hire is an ABD student who will not defend before the fall semester I would be very disappointed in not only the unfair situation that Dickinson is putting the student in, but also disappointed that Dickinson avoided all applicants who have a PhD or will have one by fall semester (what we all are meaning here by 'ABD').
I mean no disrespect to the hire, as nothing is her fault here and as an ancient historian I had no stake in this job whatsoever, but (and saying this with only the data available to us all and no personal knowledge of any of this) it does strike me as an odd hire and one that was meant to promote one of "their own" as she was a Dickinson undergrad. ...Though, I too would gladly take a job from my undergrad if they offered.
...and, again, it is perfectly plausible that what we see is what we get: the hire is a terminal MA. The CV that we all are referencing was composed at some time in 2016, the Dickinson webpage was composed at some point in the past week.
One last point. There is no shame in being a terminal MA, especially if one is talking about Latin and only seeks to teach HS or basic undergrad Latin (which is what this job was). Correct me if I am wrong, but an MA is the standard top degree for HS/CC Latin teaching, so this may not be awfully out of whack. The Dickinson job did not aim to see the Latinist teach grad-level courses on Tacitus' Annals or anything, so an MA *should* be ok. Though, if I was a candidate for this job who has a PhD and years of experience I'd be a bit pissed off.
I don't think there's any point to picking apart someone's record and making guesses about their situation like this. Sometimes the PhD candidate did everything they needed to do on their end to finish, but the committee can't schedule a defense for some reason (medical emergency, travel, etc). Who knows.
ReplyDeleteIf you your Ph.D. defense date is listed as a certain date and 16 months later it is not done, the delay is at least partly due to the candidate. Now the candidate could themselves have had a medical emergency/personal tragedy/other obligations that prevented them from finishing. No one is blaming anyone, but this is a severe delay, not 'oh, I expected to submit in May but I submitted in August because my committee had final comments that they submitted in late May rather than April.’
ReplyDeleteI second the idea that the hire was chosen on account of being a Dickinson alumna. Not to fault *her* for this, as I would happily take a job at my alma mater, but the SC was rather transparent here.
ReplyDeleteWaaah, waaah, waaaaaaaah. Where are the job police!
ReplyDeleteMA students are eating our lunch!!
ReplyDeleteWell at least one ABD from a non-Ivy, not so prestigious school snagged a TT ancient history (and he doesn't seem to do history, but rather, literature) and with no publications... this market has no baseline. I'll just continue to throw my hands up as I have since November...
ReplyDeleteNot sure which hire you refer to...
ReplyDeleteAshland
ReplyDeletewho cares? Stop being bitter. as if you would really want a job at some unknown college anyway. I wish the hire well and hope s/he enjoys it there.
ReplyDelete@12:45.
ReplyDeleteThis apparently "not so prestigious school" also landed a student a TT position at UChicago a few years ago. I wouldn't underestimate that department.
and wasn't that a success...? Two years on and only one article in a very sub-par journal.
DeleteNot sure of the exact scholar this refers to, but I will say that the amount of publication expected of a TT hire depends on the institution. There certainly is a difference between what would be expected of a TT Chicago hire and a TT College of the Eastern Ozarks of Mississippi hire. The one has a likely 2-1 load compared to a 5-5; one desiring hires to be constantly publishing/researching, the other emphasizing teaching (remedial) college courses and not much else.
Deletemaybe she's a really good teacher? that should count just as much as publication record, right?
DeleteLOL, yes, R1 institutions care just as much about someone being a good teacher.
DeleteAshland is a highly conservative Christian university that only hires professors who share/endorse their values. As you can imagine, this produces a small group of candidates.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Chicago hire, you should consider the glacial pace of academic publishing. Most of what this person has done since arriving would not be published/listed on a public CV yet.
This wasn't true as of three years ago. My sibling was a tenured prof in the sciences there, and was a very vocal atheist. It is a Christian conservative college, yes, but he at least was never pressured to endorse any set of values. He just couldn't be a complete jerk about them.
DeleteHe has since left the position for a different one because Ashland was moving very quickly into the online university world and he didn't want to be a part of that.
That's right- I heard from a reliable source that at Ashland University, if you don't bow your head at the mention of Billy Graham, you'll be fired on the spot, and all your belongings cast into a Bonfire of Vanities.
ReplyDeleteNo search committee looking at our CVs is going to "consider the glacial pace of academic publishing," so I don't see why we should....
ReplyDeleteWell, in this case, tenure committee, I guess. But true, maybe the person in question has many things in the works, incl. a book, that will come out soon. Let's not judge too quickly. But to the OP's point, Chicago did hire someone (originally) with no publications from BU. The dissertation must have had something going for it.
Deletethe dissertation was entitled: "“Grief, Longing, and Anger: A Study of Emotions in the Iliad”... untrodden territory ...
DeleteThis is churlish and potentially damaging speculation about a junior scholar. Monsieur 9:12 is an asshole.
DeleteLOL Herr 9:12 dared to speculate that a recent dissertation about the Iliad might not be ground-breaking.
DeleteIf you can get your hands on it, I'd recommend reading the dissertation. It's quite good.
Delete^agreed!
Delete"Quite good"?
DeleteOr is it, really, "rather good"?
1) The Dickinson faculty page is indeed in error. 2) The person in question has actually defended; the degree just hasn't been awarded yet.
ReplyDeleteA good day for Roman historians so far...
ReplyDeleteIf last year's hiring can be any guide, more like "a good day for current ABDs who only tangentially deal with Roman history and are, instead, philologists."
ReplyDelete...Sorry for the cynicism, but after least year I've lost all faith that most SCs are capable and competent
It sounds like there were some bad experiences last year. FWIW I've chaired and served on SCs. In my experience most members take the responsibility very seriously, especially given the many intersecting compromises that go into making any faculty hire. That doesn't imply that the process is perfect, though--far from it.
DeleteIs it really capability and competence that are lacking? Isn't it more likely a desire to push the department in a certain direction while maintaining a different rhetorical posture to ensure that they can create or preserve a line? While that's perhaps disingenuous, I doubt its incompetent.
ReplyDeleteBecause it is already that time of year... the 2018-2019 Wiki page is up and running (though without any positions added yet). In bocca al lupo
ReplyDeletehttp://classics.wikidot.com/02-2018-2019-classics-ancient-history-archaeology-job-market.
Here's hoping for an unexpected windfall of positions. Good luck, everyone!
ReplyDeleteAs said above, it's already looking like a good start for Roman historians: Columbia, Brown, Providence College, Villanova... not to mention the ones rumored from last year.
ReplyDeleteWhich Roman History jobs were rumored last year?
DeleteMichigan, UNC, USC ?
DeleteWill you post also Digital Classics jobs on the Wiki? Is there any kind of Wiki I should look out for those jobs? Thanks for everything.
ReplyDeleteIf a Digital Classics job is advertised through the SCS Placement Service, it will definitely be on the wiki. As for broader Digital Humanities positions, you may have to rely on the Chronicle of Higher Education or even somewhere like Glassdoor for the posting.
DeleteIs it just me or were there more jobs listed this time last year? Second year on the market and I was told last year was an unusually good year--does this look to be a bad year? Anyone know of more jobs yet to be posted?
ReplyDeleteGive it time, it isn't even September. By mid-October, we'll know.
DeleteKind of quiet around here? Is it just because we're all waiting for the market to heat up?
ReplyDeleteLast year's FV didn't even open for comments until early September and didn't get busy until October. I do think there's just not much to say this time of year. We're all chewing our nails, waiting to see what will be available.
DeleteQuestion: how long would you expect to wait to hear confirmation of receipt for a journal submission? Not to get referee reports, but just "thanks for x, it will/has been sent off for review, the process usually takes x amount of time"? I've only submitted 2 journal articles before and in both cases heard back within 24 hours, but maybe I've just been spoiled. With my latest it's been over two weeks. Is that normal? At what point would you write and ask to confirm receipt?
ReplyDeleteTwo weeks seems long to me: I've only submitted two articles, too, but had confirmation of receipt in 24 hours for one and three days for the other. A nudge shouldn't hurt, I think.
DeleteNot OP, but curious: how does one nudge? I'm usually so afraid of offending a Senior Person that I'm paralyzed when I don't hear back. Any advice for graceful phrasing that doesn't come across as nagging/desperate?
DeleteYou just send them a polite email asking if the submission was received.
DeleteAYFKM with Eidolon's "My life is so hard because I've never had to work to make rent"?
ReplyDeleteIt was unbelievable. "This is how I have it all"...well, this and the white privilege and affluence of the 1%.
DeleteThat's a lot of privilege to accidentally overlook mentioning in a "how I got all my things" essay. And more than a bit Republican in its "I didn't get any legs up from the system, no, it's all been grit and determination on my part yep" rhetoric.
DeleteI found it more than bizarre, as an essay that essentially says "wow, this is easier than I thought, and everything just works out for me because I can do everything. Why doesn't everyone else just do things the way I do? I've got it all under control." As an academic and a parent and a spouse, but not a millionaire or even a member of the 9%, as someone who worked 30+ hours for pay throughout my undergraduate studies just so I could afford to eat entire "meals" of oyster crackers before I hit the fucking grad school stipendiary jackpot, I was shocked by the apparent lack of self-awareness. Especially from someone at Eidolon, someone who is supposedly on "our" side, out there trying to make things right and get some justice for the people who can't afford the time and money it costs to make themselves heard. How can you pat yourself on the back so heartily with a silver spoon in both hands and not see what you're doing? I'm probably more outraged than anyone else, but it's nice to see I wasn't the only one who read this little essay as a vicious slap across my own face.
Delete6:14 here. I just want to say I'm grateful for the solidarity in these comments. All of the social media sharing of this article seemed so oddly positive and complimentary (albeit much of the laudatory comments were strangely from white men...), I felt a bit like I was being overly cynical. Or being gaslit. I feel more rational and legitimized in my first gut reactions now.
DeleteI think the issue is an important one, and clearly worth discussing--academic parenting is no mean feat, even for the privileged. As someone, however, who has had to put off motherhood year after year as I hope for a permanent job, it would be nice to see some acknowledgment of the fact that many academics are unable to even contemplate parenthood because of their financial situations. Especially for a piece titled "This is how I have it all" -- I think you left out one very big part of that.
DeleteYeah, I'm a different poster, but I really agree with the above comments. I was dumbfounded as I read that piece. And I'm part of the crowd that usually likes Eidolon material, or at least finds it reasonable.
DeleteI agree that parenthood is an important topic and I actually like what she says about parenthood specifically here, but the larger context just seems off-key. "How I have it all?" : but without talking about ANY OF THE SOCIAL CONTEXT surrounding her relationship with her immediate family? Even if the title is meant to be tongue-in-cheek: Really? I'm just disappointed. And I agree about the laudatory social media comments, which also had me really dispirited.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/28/17792438/betty-shelby-terence-crutcher-police-shooting-tulsa-training-course
DeleteHuh? Where is that article/post?
ReplyDeleteFor what it's worth, whoever put the Berea College philosophy job on the wiki seems to have misread the ad. The ad says that they want people who complement their existing strengths, among which is ancient philosophy. That's a way of saying that they very probably aren't going to hire an ancient philosophy specialist (they've got one already and it's a tiny department at a tiny school, so it would be a safe inference even if the ad didn't effectively say it). It's amusing that people keep posting philosophy department ads on the classics wiki, since classics PhDs rarely ever get those jobs and even then only when they're from collaborative programs and therefore pay attention to the philosophy job sites. Then again, it's nice to see that some classicists haven't yet completely ostracized philosophy from the field. But it may be misleading to treat that Berea job as one that even a philosophy PhD specializing in ancient Greek/Roman philosophy should take seriously. That's not what they're looking for.
ReplyDeleteSomeone, perhaps the same person, also seems confused about the Xavier philosophy job. Like the Berea ad, the Xavier ad explicitly notes that the department already has strengths in ancient philosophy. The implication is that they aren't looking to hire an ancient philosophy person. I guess this is just a sign of how desperate specialists in ancient philosophy are.
DeleteAnyone else starting to panic about the scanty number of jobs thus far? And so many not TT. Wtf is this "Clinical Assistant Professor" BS?
ReplyDeleteThis person, for the past week.
DeleteYup, same here.
ReplyDeleteYes, we are all doomed.
DeleteI've fumbled around with this problem for a few job cycles, so I'm just going to ask and hope that someone who has run a search like this responds. If an application is asking for both a teaching statement and a research statement, what then is the expectation for the cover letter? I know the real answer is it varies, it's a crapshoot, etc., but all that aside--what are some ideas about best practices here?
ReplyDeleteDo I just write a short cover letter about fit since the rest of the information is in the dossier and I'd rather not bore my reader? Do I summarize the research and teaching documents using the same examples? Do I write original content for the cover letter that doesn't repeat in the statements?
I'm pretty sure I've done all 3 of these on previous applications in one way or another, with no discernible pattern of what works well and what doesn't. Since there are so few jobs up so far, I'd like to try my best not to eliminate myself at the gate on stylistic grounds.
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ReplyDeleteI would still write a normal cover letter. Your research and teaching statements will go into far more detail than your letter contains anyway. And as you know, you can't count on a committee to carefully read all of your documents.
ReplyDeleteFormer SC chair here. Absolutely make the cover letter your most terrific document (next to your CV, of course), with everything important that you'd like to say about yourself, your file, your accomplishments, your prospects, and your fit for the institution. Job files are seen by lots of people, including administrators, and the administrators are not going to dive into the teaching and research statements. My SCs are always more interested in the research ones, but where we really are impressed by either type is where they are specific, specific, specific, grounded in past accomplishments while still looking towards the future.
DeleteThoughts on using a school letterhead for your cover letter-- yay or nay? Does it depend on rank (ABD grad student vs. gainfully employed PhD)?
ReplyDeleteThe (rare) unanimous advice that I have received from advisers and read is to use letterhead if you have access to it, regardless of rank. That being said, my university prohibits ABD grad students from using departmental letterhead for job applications, since these do not count as official correspondence. I don't know if that policy is also the same for faculty, however, or if the policy also holds true for more generic university letterhead. So you should double-check with your department about any such policy.
DeleteAgree, I would definitely use letterhead if available. If there isn't a stated policy as in the case of 8:26's department, I would say it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.
DeleteUse that damned letterhead! Photoshop it out of official documents from your dept!!
DeleteEven if there *is* a stated policy, what are they going to do — fire you?!
And further, why would they ever know? Who are you sending your cover letter to, anyways?! ��
I was also advised that if your current university is such a jerk of an institution as to deny you access to letterhead, you don't think twice about making it yourself. For whatever reason, sending a letter not on letterhead is considered really unprofessional. (And this is by the jerks who are on SCs, so we have to play along with them.)
DeleteSame former SC chair as above (reading down). Institutional letterhead from an ABD isn't going to get a candidate a job or disqualify them from a job. But institutional letterhead from the PhD venue shows that you haven't yet moved on. Institutional letterhead from a one-year post shows that you have a professional affiliation beyond grad school, etc.
DeleteBut letterhead or not, what can really affect a committee is sloppiness. Just be completely honest about your affiliation with a given institution (of course), make the document look nice, get rid of the typos and make sure there are no errors of syntax or expression, and create some professional (thank you, anonymous 12:57) way of occupying the space at the top of the paper, even if it's a template for personal letterhead, so that the cover letter looks like a formal document ready for public consumption, rather than a draft of something.
Are Hellenists going to be screwed this year as well? Is it still 'too early in the season' or can I start freaking out now?
ReplyDeleteWe're 2/3 of the way through September: you may begin freaking out, but don't freak out completely just yet.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the previous comment. More jobs will post in October (and later), but the number of jobs already advertised by this point in the season is light compared to recent years.
ReplyDeleteHellenists - especially Greek archaeologists - have been left in the dust a number of years now.
ReplyDeleteThree cheers for Delaware for saving us and our letter writers a whole lot of potentially wasted time and effort! Someone may have listened to this forum and finally decided that it might be kind to only ask for a CV and cover letter as a first round step.
ReplyDeleteTo the remainder of the schools running searches this year: *please, follow suit!*
"Hellenists - especially Greek archaeologists - have been left in the dust a number of years now."
ReplyDeleteSeriously? There were MANY material culture jobs last year, relatively speaking, everyone and their mom had interviews. It is true that some of these "Classical Archaeology/Art" jobs went to Roman archaeologists or art historians (NYU-IFA, Michigan, Georgia, Illinois), but only because these proved to be the better candidates, not because the search was a Roman one. Greek archaeology and art candidates applied and were interviewed for all of these jobs.
^ +Bard grad center, AU Rome, Bryn Mawr, JHU, Fashion Institute, Bryn Mawr, NYU, UNLV. That is not counting the specified "Roman Arch/Art" only positions, or any UK Arch/Art positions, or the "History" positions that went to Archaeology/Art people. The market is always frustrating, everyone feels that way. But Archaeology/Art people have had more job openings than most the past few years.
ReplyDeleteJust something I am curious about. Why do some schools, e.g. Columbia, ask for a list of references to be uploaded as a separate file, when they also have applicants enter the contact information for three references on a separate screen, and C.V.'s provide this information? This seems like an idea from H.R., but is there a specific benefit to them or the search committee?
ReplyDeleteMore insane is the fact that their system says not to upload any files with pictures. Well that's one way to eliminate any historian who happens to use material culture... (I'm sure it's just the arcane system though).
DeleteIs anyone else unable to access the wiki? I was on the wiki about 3 weeks ago and now the email and password provided to us gives me an "incorrect password and username" response.
ReplyDeleteJust accessed it without any problems...
Delete1:36: this is part of the insanity of job applications, that you supply all the info on your cv and nonetheless must spend half an hour per application entering it all onto an online form. I take it this particular absurdity isn't limited to academic jobs, though.
ReplyDeleteSo, they want an archaic person who works on the classical genres of drama or philosophy or medicine? And/or archaeology? With a Greek verse main specialty? As in Theocritus? Or metrical treatises of the Empire? But is also a Homerist? After so much definition, it's still pretty fuzzy.
ReplyDeleteAnd speaking of fuzzy, digital humanities now is a subspecialty like drama or philosophy or medicine or even archaeology? Sounds like they want someone who studies digital humanities like someone else studies, say, epigraphy, or Roman elegy. Do they realize why that doesn't seem very thoughtful? But the Dean was probably fooled into offering a position because the department sharted out the phonemes "digital humanities", whether or not they have any idea how much of a sad joke that nothingburger has long ago become.
It's not an ad for a human. It's a shopping list cobbled together out of institutional pressures and buzzwords. And it'll be a cushy 2/2 for some lucky U/X-designing archaeologist of the Presocratic influences on Hephaestion's citations of the Iliad, to be sure.
It seems pretty clear that they want someone who works on Homer and/or Archaic lit/culture, who is also capable of teaching very broadly. I don't see what's hard about that to understand. And DH is becoming a normal expectation of every position, even if it's bullshit.
ReplyDelete"It seems pretty clear that they want someone who works on Homer and/or Archaic lit/culture, who is also capable of teaching very broadly."
ReplyDeleteYes, that is basically it. We have some gaps in coverage that we would like to fill, some opportunities to build new strengths, and strong departmental and institutional support for humanities computing. The top applicants will have research credentials in Homer/Archaic Greece AND something else to offer, too. We wanted to be as forthright as possible in naming what that something else might be.
If anyone has questions about the position, please feel free to email me at craig-gibson@uiowa.edu. I am chair of the department and search committee chair.
Glad to hear what you wanted, but without this clarification, the impression your ad actually gave was that you wanted an almost impossible combination of specializations and expertise. I'm not even remotely in the market for this position, but I doubt I'm the only person who both appreciates your clarification here and at the same finds the ad as written incredibly out of touch with the perspective of actual job seekers in our field. Probably it won't matter, though; everyone who works on archaic Greek poetry and doesn't have a permanent job will apply for your position because their alternatives will make working for USPS seem otherworldly.
DeleteI don't see the problem: the posting wants someone who works on Homer and/or Archaic poetry, but also has at least one of the listed specialties. And for every one of those -- with the exception of Digital Humanities, which isn't a real sub-discipline -- I can think of at least one book or scholar that combines Homer/Archaic poetry and that sub-field. So there is nothing unreasonable there.
DeleteI feel that this has been discussed before, but any advice about whether to include additional info beyond what has been asked for? E.g. Davidson has a space for "other" in its upload section. Is it frowned upon to include teaching evaluations or some other materials?
ReplyDeleteBlood of your first-born child, if you have one; blood of your students, if not; in lieu of that, links to your awesome digital humanities projects that have nothing directly to do with the rest of your other research; in lieu of that, the account and routing numbers to a richly endowed bank account?
DeleteMore seriously, I'd say a short teaching evaluation document or anything else you think might be relevant but isn't too long would be just fine, or at least wouldn't hurt. But I'd assume that the 'other' field is due to the software rather than the preferences of the SC, and you shouldn't expect that the SC will read anything that they haven't explicitly asked for. Hell, you probably shouldn't assume that they'll actually read everything they've asked for, but a fortiori...
Don’t send anything extra for initial application. SC swamped enough as it is. Make your cover letter stand out: think locally about their dept, resources, courses..
DeleteIf you get an SCS/AIA interview, then consider sending one neatly formatted pdf that compiles a syllabus + observation letter + evals or the like, and perhaps another with diff info (maybe another class, or a recent publication) if you get the campus interview.
This is something that has gotten common in the last ten years or so: departments hire one person for what should really be about three jobs, so they look for a ridiculous range of expertise. So you get job ads for someone who specializes in archaic greek poetry and also silver latin, reception studies, gender, and byzantine archaeology. Apparently the question of whether someone with so many specialties can really "specialize" in any of it does not arise.
ReplyDeleteDo they ever actually find someone who fits all the things in their job description? Or settle for someone who has, say, 3 out of 5?
DeleteI usually thought those crazy listings were for inside candidates, to discourage others from applying and to tailor the job to the applicant. But I may be wrong.
I know that one of the VAP positions from a few years ago that was mocked for being overly specific had a good explanation: the course offerings had already been set (and students had already enrolled in them) according to the specific interests of the previous VAP. When that person unexpectedly left late in the season, they needed a replacement who could teach those specific courses. I don't imagine that happens often with TT positions, though.
Delete(7:19 AM again): I should add that anyone who looked at the department's website after this VAP job was posted would have seen the previous VAP still listed and would have thought (wrongly) that the job was tailored to keep them around. It just goes to show that you shouldn't make assumptions about what's happening behind the scenes. Even if they DID tailor the job to keep a specific person, you don't know that they won't accept a better offer elsewhere. If you fit most of the criteria, you should apply.
DeleteThere's a more general point about the Iowa ad that might still be useful here. They want a Homerist, and they'd also like someone who could do some other things as well. But they don't need someone who works in the same areas as, say, Craig Gibson or Sarah Bond. So they helpfully list things they do need. That does NOT mean that they expect anyone to do all of them. Same with Michigan and Smith and Colorado. In general, a long list of specialties nearly always means a range into which the candidates must fall, not fill them all.
ReplyDeleteAnyone have any recent experience with Arethusa and know their turnaround time? Thinking of submitting but don't want to wait years!
ReplyDeleteArethusa is all over the place. I had an article take almost 3 years. If you have time and like the history of the journal; if not, go elsewhere
DeleteAnd I believe that they require that you mail in your submissions -- three copies even!!
DeleteSo it looks as if there will be a T-T job in Roman History coming out this season at Washington University in Saint Louis. They hired someone back in the 2012/13 season, and that individual is now absent from the dept (failed to secure tenure in the last 5 years?) and is not (seemingly) present elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteIf anyone has any inside knowledge of the Classics Dept at WUSTL (are they hostile? are they a difficult to achieve tenure in? etc,..) it would be appreciated. I know of two other folks that accepted T-T jobs at WUSTL and left within a year or two for, what seemed, like downgrades. I don't know those two scholars well enough to ask about the environment at WUSTL, so any info here would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
I have a bit of familiarity with the situation, so I guess I will jump in. I know of two people who left without getting tenure in recent years, both of whom are apparently out of the field. Without going into the reasons, which in one case were personal, I believe it fair to say that neither one left because WUSTL has unreasonable hurdles for those seeking tenure. (I will leave it at that, since even if people are out of the field I do not believe we should be discussing specific junior scholars on this site.)
DeleteI do have some inside knowledge of the department. Faculty are not hostile. You can always get a sense of their tenure expectations from the CVs of a couple of senior faculty who have recently been tenured.
DeleteThere are not two folks who have left *a year or two* after accepting TT positions at the department (at least not for the past decade or so- my familiarity with their hires just doesn't go back further). I agree with 3:15 that we should not be discussing specific junior scholars on this site.
There most certainly were two T-T hires that have recently left. I won't name names or provide initials, but one, a male, focused on religion and early Christianity; the second, a female, left more recently for unknown reasons and was a Roman historian who focused on the Flavians.
Delete...I mention these specifics (which are intentionally vague and could only be deciphered by one who *truly does* have inside knowledge as 8:22 professes) to rebut the claim of 8:22.
I have zero knowledge of WUSTL, but did know, to varying degrees, the two folks who recently left.
5:54, what is wrong with you? They've left the field -- why can't you leave them in peace? Why write your coy little post, which will get other obsessives to spend more time Googling? For it has accomplished nothing productive, and seems to be nothing more than a way for you to anonymously boast that you know more than others around here, and help put those who are curious on the trail.
DeleteI just hope that you and the others who continue to discuss junior colleagues will all one day have your own fifteen minutes of fame -- make that infamy -- here on Novae Famae Volent.
My original post -- I'm Oct. 4, 3:15 -- said ALL that needs to be said about whether to apply for the job, which is the ONLY issue that should be of concern to anyone here.
@ 7:09,
Delete...and then you (again) bring it back to everyone's attention. If you really want to see the issue ceased and to see folks no longer Googling and scouring the old Wiki pages, then stop talking about it.
The most recent person who left WUSTL was once at Arizona during the time of great stasis that took place there for many years (though they visiting faculty and would not been involved in the skullduggery). On the old blog, however, this person was described as being cuckoo for cocoa puffs, so perhaps that has something to do with their disappearing act.
ReplyDeleteThis post is baseless gossip and should be removed, ideally by its author after (s)he realizes how fucked up it is.
DeleteIt moves from a specious guilt by association to a tepid (and still specious) guilt by association, finding its resting place in gossip about a junior scholar's mental health. This gossip is, on its own, stunning for its crassness. Even more, it's based on *a fucking blog post*. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Baseless gossip? Uh bro this is a rumor blog. Stop pearl clutching or go read Better Homes and Gardens.
Delete10:45, rumors, sure, but what 5:36 was doing was reviving a very PERSONAL attack on a junior scholar from last year, one quite rightly taken down by "Servius." As this thread should be, by the new "Servius," especially since it has absolutely no bearing on the current question of whether people should apply for the Washington University position. At least in the old days FV's rumors used to be pertinent.
DeleteAnother call for Servius or 5:36 to delete this defamatory post.
DeleteNot sure how the post by 5:36 is defamatory...11:09 asked why there were a couple people who had T-T jobs at WUSTL who quit, and 3:15 indicated that one departure was for personal reasons. It seems that 5:36 extrapolated from there based on knowledge of who was at WUSTL and no longer is, where the person used to be, and comments on the previous iteration of the blog. No one has been named and this person does indeed seem to have dropped off the face of the Earth, at least in terms of an internet search.
DeleteRe 10:29's call for Servius:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGWtVOKTkM
All y'all be shook
DeleteThis post has been up for eleven days now, clearly the new Servius is awol. For what it's worth, I've heard, outside the context of FV and NF in the real world, that the person mentioned in the OP was an ass to students in the MA program at Arizona. So while they didn't have a hand in the ongoing bullshit perpetrated by the senior faculty there, they still did their part to make things suck while they were there.
DeleteIt seems to me that a job at WUSTL would be a particularly sweet deal. 1) the school has extremely deep pockets 2) It's in an actual city and not some podunk hellhole 3) The administrators are not a threat since they are clearly as dull as a bag of hammers; the genesis of the graduate program there arose out of a desire for prestige as WUSTL attempts to make itself the dominant elite university in the Midwest 4) It's a legitimately excellent school that is highly selective so the students are probably very sharp as opposed to being mouth-breathing knuckledraggers.
ReplyDeleteRE: WUSTL,
ReplyDeleteI don't think that anything unsavory is happening at WUSTL, and want to stress that (as someone who knows a bit more about this situation) WUSTL is a great institution.
Both recent losses to the Department at WUSTL were when the two recent T-T hires failed to publish (both for different reasons) within their 5 year timeline. Any reasons for their departure from WUSTL falls completely on the shoulders of the two hires for not fulfilling their end of things, while zero blame is on WUSTL's Classics Department.
WUSTL seem mostly like nice people. There has been questionable judgement on the departmental level recently. But I don't think people considering applying for this job need to worry about being mistreated.
ReplyDeleteGood lookin’ classical/roman archaeology job posted at Texas tech!!
ReplyDeleteAnd you get to live in Texas!
DeleteDoes anyone know what is meant by requiring letters via email but "handsigned"? I assume that means an electronic "signature" is okay, right? Or does this mean one must ask one's recommenders to print out, sign, and then scan their letters?
ReplyDeleteMost folks copy/paste a scanned version of their signatures onto official letters and correspondence these days — and that counts as hand-signed.
DeleteNew to the job market here, so I'm not sure if this is a dumb question, but does the USC job seem a bit too specific to be an open search? It strikes me as odd that a Dept would specify such a narrow focus as Roman Law for their hire.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm totally off base and that is rather common, so forgive me if I am asking a silly question here.
No, this is not a remarkably specific job ad. Welcome to the job market!
ReplyDeleteIs it just me or do we have a remarkably high number of Latinist positions this year?
ReplyDeleteI think so too, especially when you consider that some of the job ads on Wiki listed as 'Generalist' are actually 'Latinist', like Vassar.
DeleteIn 2015-2016 (my first season on the market), there were ZERO TT Latin jobs. Literally. Not. A. Single. One. On the other hand, there were a very generous number of Greek jobs, and most of my Hellenist friends had multiple interviews (even ABD's). Meanwhile, the Latinists were wandering around the SCS with looks of quiet desperation. The pendulum does seem to swing back and forth. I'm not really sure why this should be since there seems no rational reason why openings/retirements in a particular field would reinforce one another, but it does seem to be the case.
DeleteThough I've heard tell that two of the "generalist" jobs are leaning Greek lit as well: Toronto and Cincinnati.
DeleteBut do you know how many of us there are? There are literally hundreds of people who will apply to those two jobs, including not just the entire job market but also more established people who want a shot at a plum position. It isn't equivalent to the Year of No Latin, but it is a bad year for Greek.
DeleteYeah, especially that there weren't that many Greek literature positions last year either.
DeleteHow are departmental dynamics at Toronto and Cincinnati?
DeleteIt's been eight months now that one of my articles has been under review and I'm starting to lose patience. Has anyone else gone through a similarly dreadful process? Have you had particularly amicable/efficient experiences with particular journals? Are there any that you avoid submitting to?
ReplyDeleteFor archaeology avoid AJA, unless you really have something stellar--I know of one person who waited over a year, only to get a rejection from the editor (even though referees suggested R&R).
DeleteHSCP: only use one referee. So a lot can hang on that one reader.
I've heard that AJP and CA are very good in terms of turn around; AJP apparently doesn't have too much of a backlog. CP has a huge backlog.
JRS has a quick turn around time and a reputation for helpful referee statements.
DeleteCP rejected an article of mine after a R&R that got positive reviews from both reviewers, one of which was PUBLISH THIS NOW! and one that was (to paraphrase) "well, I wasn't convinced by XXX, but the rest merits publication." The editor said they can't publish with such "lukewarm" reviews. Needless to say, I'll not be submitting to CP again for a very long time, if ever.
Delete^same happened to me at AJP; I suspect that part of the reason is because I'm very junior -- was ABD at the time -- and because they had a very big backlog.
DeleteThis conversation is very helpful, thanks to contributors. If others could chime in with their data for wait times, this would be much appreciated.
DeleteI think it's somewhat unwise to praise or blame a journal as such, or to generalize quality. I think the turn-around time / quality of reviews / editorial judiciousness of a journal depends on who the current editor is, who is on the board of editors, etc. Also, a bad experience may be a one-off due to a careless reviewer.
DeleteCan the OP share which journal has taken such a long time on their reviews?
DeleteI think it should be mentioned that a lot of it has to do with the reviewers themselves and if they turn in the reports on time. Reviewers can sometimes disappear with manuscripts, leaving the editor to wait or start anew with a new reviewer. An editor can only hound them so many times (and get a decent report in the end). There are lots of variables in play.
DeleteChiming in to say I had a similar experience with CP - a rejection when reviewer A recommended a positive R&R, reviewer B acceptance - with a similarly curt tone.
Delete8:27 AM - (5:08 PM here) Glad to know I'm not alone in that frustrating experience.
DeleteFor a quick look at the market numbers: today Delaware said that they received 180 applications and will cut that to 20 for the extra materials request. That's not too bad considering it is a generalist position. I was expecting more like 250...
ReplyDeleteEventually the market will thin out due to graduate programs admitting fewer students, attrition, and people leaving the field who opt for a job outside academia or suicide.
DeleteIt troubles me to imagine one of our community being at that level of distress. Know that there are places to seek help. https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org
DeleteAnyone have intel on the Michigan job?
ReplyDeleteThey've been interviewing people this and past week. From what I heard they will decide on campus visits at the beginning of the next week. I appreciate how fast they're moving forward.
DeleteIf the on campus invitees for the mich job become public knowledge (on a calendar or the like), I'd appreciate hearing who they are, just to know what sort of Hellenist they are looking for.
DeleteI didn't apply for the job (not quite in my wheelhouse), but I'll second the appreciation for how quick Michigan's process is right now. No matter how far applicants get in the process, they'll have answers quickly and can plan (other applications, their lives) around them.
DeleteI also don't know if this played a factor, but it's too early for anyone to have accepted any other positions, so whoever is offered the Michigan job is nearly guaranteed to be available. Getting through the process this quickly lets Michigan keep every top applicant in the pool before other excellent programs lure some of them away with offers. If that was planned, then well done, Michigan. If not, then Michigan still benefits from those circumstances.
Has anyone heard about campus visits for UMich yet?
DeleteI have a limited experience with interviews that lead to campus visits, so I don't know what is the usual practice. If the committee makes a decision about the finalists, do they let all interviewed people know or do they send rejections only when the position has been offered and accepted?
ReplyDelete@7:16 Unfortunately, the answer is "it depends." Some schools will tell people they didn't advance, others won't send a rejection until the hire is finalized, and some won't ever contact you again. I think public schools are slightly more to tell you that you haven't advanced, but that's definitely not a hard and fast rule. Sometimes if the first round of campus visits doesn't pan out they'll go down the list and invite more people out, too.
ReplyDeleteNot telling the unsuccessful applicants anything is pretty standard for all jobs these days, not just academic ones.
DeleteSince the last situation mentioned above is rare, especially these days: this is why the wiki exists. Many places have crazy (and cruel) internal policies about not updating failed candidates on their candidacy. The wiki is generally a very reliable indicator of when you have not advanced.
ReplyDeleteI have had campus visits at two different University of California campuses, and in both cases it took a very long time (i.e. four months) to get any official word about the outcome of the search. Obviously I knew I hadn't been offered the job. This was due, I assume, to some UC policy forbidding the notification of unsuccessful candidates until every aspect of the search was finalized. By comparison, I also had a campus visit at a prestigious private university, and the search committee chair was able to tell me in under a month that I would not be offered the job. In general, no news is bad news.
ReplyDeleteIn my experience: when you get to the point when people start telling you that it could take weeks for a choice to make it through the bureaucracy, that's a 100% indicator that you did not get the job.
ReplyDelete7:16 am again. Wiki this year is nowhere near as active as it used to be in the previous years. There are only twenty people in the tally so far, so I can't expect that I will get the information I need from there...
ReplyDeleteHow does one right any kind of meaningful Diversity Statement in 250 words? For Cal State San Bernardino... I guess just some kind of boiler plate statement? (Don't get me wrong, I think the Diversity Statement is a necessary and very useful, if vague, genre of document).
ReplyDeleteLol @ diversity statement is a "necessary and very useful" document.
DeleteIf it's even remotely hard for you to speak meaningfully on diversity at any given length, short or long, you shouldn't be working for the California State University System.
DeleteAnd don't you dare come with that boilerplate shit either.
One could argue that someone who cannot "speak meaningfully on diversity" would add to the university's diversity.
DeleteTell us more, Socrates?
DeleteAccording to the counter on the wiki someone has 2 interviews - congratulations! Michigan is the only job updated at this point. What other schools have started contacting people for first round interviews?
ReplyDeleteAnyone have more info on Cincinnati? One poster said they are perhaps leaning Greek. It seems they have a gap to fill in Greek drama, but also in Roman historiography- unless all the nuts-and-bolts historians are thought to have historiography covered.
ReplyDeleteWould whoever got a request from Delaware for additional materials like to say what subfield they are in? e.g. Latin lit, Greek lit, ancient history, archaeology, philosophy?
ReplyDeleteGreek lit.
DeleteThanks, good to know! I'm in a totally different area, but I suspected they might be looking in that area, considering the current faculty they have.
DeleteI also got a request and I'm on the Latin side.
DeleteWait, Columbia went straight to campus visits--already? No interviews?
ReplyDeleteHas anyone heard about campus visits for UMich yet?
ReplyDeleteI (also?) interviewed with them, but haven't heard anything. I'm assuming they've made their decisions already.
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